Teen Taboo: Underage Sex & Abortion

[The Big PINK One♥]

Im liking the way this discussion is going. Everyone has a different view and no one is arguing and everyone is seeing what the other has to say. I LOVE IT. Lol.

[misskelli]

writergirl said:

misskelli said:

To Qoute Martina Navratilova


"I think the key is for women not to set any limits."


If you chose to have sex before marriage than have sex before marriage if you don't than don't. It is for you to decided and you alone.


To Qoute Myself

"My Mind, My Body, My Spirit and if you don't like it you can shove it."

You don't wanna have baby than don't have a baby. Its nobodys chance but your own and nobody can tell you what to do. To ban abortion would be stupid because to bring a child into a world where it is not wanted is just as bad as some people think abortion is.

You are loosing the importance of life. You aren't picking out a pair of shoes, you are murdering an innocent child. A living, child. This child has its own blood, it's own heart, it's own brain. You are simply it's house. It's not your body.

You forget no one actually knows when the child is actually concerned alive and in the beginning stages like when you frist find out its nothing more than cells. And yes it is part of your body your body is the one who is supporting the life there for it is a part of your body for the next 9 months.

[writergirl]

misskelli said:

writergirl said:

You are loosing the importance of life. You aren't picking out a pair of shoes, you are murdering an innocent child. A living, child. This child has its own blood, it's own heart, it's own brain. You are simply it's house. It's not your body.

You forget no one actually knows when the child is actually concerned alive and in the beginning stages like when you frist find out its nothing more than cells. And yes it is part of your body your body is the one who is supporting the life there for it is a part of your body for the next 9 months.

So you walk up to a 2 year old, the kid is screaming it's head off, throwing a fit, and you don't want it around anymore. So you kill it. Would that be wrong? Yes, yes it would. You are saying that just because you have never looked at this kid or talked to this kid that it isn't real. It is real!

Your body is supporting the life, but is not the life. When you have an abortion are you being the one killed?? No, you are killing an individual that is being supported by you, but is an individual.

Between the 18th and 25th day the babies heart begins to beat.
-At 6 weeks the brain is present
-11 to 12 weeks fingernails have been formed
-16 weeks eyelashes are present
-fetus' hiccup, move, suck their thumbs, their heart rate acceleerates when they are scared.

Just so it's clear, this is what is done when someone gets and aboriton.
Suction method- a hollow tube is fastened to a suction appartus and inserted into the womb, the suction tears the baby into small pieces, and is suctioned out and thrown away. This is the most common method.

The saline method- A strong salt solution is injected through the abdominal wall, when the baby inhales it, it poisions it and kills it. The mother delivers a dead baby 2 or 3 days later.

The diltion method- When the child is 3 to 5 months along this is the method most commonly used. A pair of forceps is inserted into the mothers womb, where they are used to dismember the child and drag parts of it out of the womb through the birth canal.

The hysterotomy- Is done usually during the last 3 months of pregnancy. The mothers abdomen and uterus are surgericaly opened and the baby is lifted out and allowed to die, often slowly and painfully. Alternitively, the exposed child may be killed while still in the womb and then removed after he is dead.

Even in the earliest methods a baby is there, when it's killed you can see it. Most women even deliver a baby! It's just killing it!

What is Abortion?"

Month one

Mommy
I am only 8 inches long
but I have all my organs.
I love the sound of your voice.
Every time I hear it
I wave my arms and legs.
The sound of your heart beat
is my favorite lullaby.

Month Two

Mommy
today I learned how to suck my thumb.
If you could see me
you could definitely tell that I am a baby.
I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though.
It is so nice and warm in here.

Month Three

You know what Mommy
I'm a boy!!
I hope that makes you happy.
I always want you to be happy.
I don't like it when you cry.
You sound so sad.
It makes me sad too
and I cry with you even though
you can't hear me.

Month Four

Mommy
my hair is starting to grow.
It is very short and fine
but I will have a lot of it.
I spend a lot of my time exercising.
I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes
and stretch my arms and legs.
I am becoming quite good at it too.

Month Five

You went to the doctor today.
Mommy, he lied to you.
He said that I'm not a baby.
I am a baby Mommy, your baby.
I think and feel.
Mommy, what's abortion?

Month Six

I can hear that doctor again.
I don't like him.
He seems cold and heartless.
Something is intruding my home.
The doctor called it a needle.
Mommy what is it? It burns!
Please make him stop!
I can't get away from it!
Mommy! HELP me!

Month Seven

Mommy
I am okay.
I am in Jesus's arms.
He is holding me.
He told me about abortion.
Why didn't you want me Mommy?

Every Abortion Is Just . . .

One more heart that was stopped.
Two more eyes that will never see.
Two more hands that will never touch.
Two more legs that will never run.
One more mouth that will never speak

There is no justification for murder, and not only murder but murder of an innocent child. We put people in jail everyday for minor offences yet milions of women murder their own flesh and blood daily and we do nothing. It's a sad depiction of our priorities.

[misskelli]

Up until like the 21 day its a mass of cells. And no I'm not going to wake up to 2 yr old and kill it. Your talking about a mass of cells and children should be wanted by the parent not forced on like its some kind of job. Abortion is the only option for some woman like in south Africa a woman was imprisoned because she was raped and had the child of her rapist. She was to be beaten to death because she was raped and had a kid out of wed-lock. How is that fair for anyone? And no one has the right to impose their morals on me or anyone else it is the mother's choice not yours. Maraget Singer was the one who brought birth control to the women who where being forced to have children when they already had to many mouths to feed or didn't want anyone children.


Its about having control over our lives and our bodies. Its about saving lives of woman who went underground to have these abortions done and died because of improper care. By making it illegal you are endangering the lives of women everywhere who are sick of being told what to do and how to do it. Men don't have children, Men shouldn't be the ones to tell women when and where to have a baby. Abortion is a last resort and now that women have to face sometimes.


And yes its hard, yes it causes pain but better the pain be on yourself than a child who is brought into the world not by choice but because girls are too afraid of what their mom and dad may think. Women everywhere have the right to not be afraid have the right to not be forced into something they don't wanna do. Susan B. Anthony, Maraget Singer, Gloria Steinem did not kick the door down for woman's liberation just have another door put up in its place. And Children have the right to be brought into a loving home where they are wanted and not a daily reminder of a rape or an unwanted pregnancy.

[writergirl]

misskelli said:

Up until like the 21 day its a mass of cells. And no I'm not going to wake up to 2 yr old and kill it. Your talking about a mass of cells and children should be wanted by the parent not forced on like its some kind of job. Abortion is the only option for some woman like in south Africa a woman was imprisoned because she was raped and had the child of her rapist. She was to be beaten to death because she was raped and had a kid out of wed-lock. How is that fair for anyone? And no one has the right to impose their morals on me or anyone else it is the mother's choice not yours. Maraget Singer was the one who brought birth control to the women who where being forced to have children when they already had to many mouths to feed or didn't want anyone children.


Its about having control over our lives and our bodies. Its about saving lives of woman who went underground to have these abortions done and died because of improper care. By making it illegal you are endangering the lives of women everywhere who are sick of being told what to do and how to do it. Men don't have children, Men shouldn't be the ones to tell women when and where to have a baby. Abortion is a last resort and now that women have to face sometimes.


And yes its hard, yes it causes pain but better the pain be on yourself than a child who is brought into the world not by choice but because girls are too afraid of what their mom and dad may think. Women everywhere have the right to not be afraid have the right to not be forced into something they don't wanna do. Susan B. Anthony, Maraget Singer, Gloria Steinem did not kick the door down for woman's liberation just have another door put up in its place. And Children have the right to be brought into a loving home where they are wanted and not a daily reminder of a rape or an unwanted pregnancy.

And I repeat, by the 25th day it has a heart beat. Why? Because it's a living thing.

This is not about women liberation. This is not about being trapped in a situation, this is about maturity and responsibility. Many women activists just like to hear themselves talk. While i agree that women should be able to vote and should be able to get a job wherever they want. But no matter what a women does not have the right to murder someone. Those women you are so fond of what have they really done? They have paved the way for millions of innocent babies to be killed.

Okay now lets go to africa, lets talk about conditions. Besides insanley pathetic living conditions the intelligence level is extremely low. These women are told taht this will help them, that this will be a better option. They end up being brainwashed as so many right here in america are. Murder is wrong. Abortion is murder.

Please dont' get caught up in the propoganda. It's not about a womans right to choose. It's about the right thing to do. Don't let your feminism get the best of you. This is a deeper issue than pride.

When you get pregnant, under any circumstances, you have the baby. If you don't want it, then give it away

What makes your life more valuable than this childs? What gives you the right to kill someone?

Having a child at a young age or out of wedlock, or as a product of rape isn't as taboo as it used to be. It's sadly become the norm, so disgrace shouldn't be the reason you kill someone. Somtimes you just have to fess up to your responsibilities, that's just life.

As for underground abortions, if abortion was banned as it should be. Then yes for a while there would be alot more of them, but after a while, once people saw how dangerous they are they would drastically drop. Especially if there was jail time if you got caught.

Think about it this way, Are you willing to give your life to kill a baby's? If you knew that in order to end a pregnancy you would die, would you take the chance? Probably not, because you don't want to die. Well neither does that child. They want to walk, and see, and do, and love. They watn all of the experiances you got to have because your parents kept you.

And just for the record i dont' want to "push" my beliefs on you. I want to stand up for those who can't tell you that killing them is wrong. Those who can't see you, those who can't talk to you, those who can't cry out to you. Those who are killed everyday. Those who get the other cheeked turned to them by a busy society who doesn't care to save those they can't see. That's why i say the things i say, because they can't.

[misskelli]

First of all we do not like to hear ourselves talk if it wasn't for those women you and I wouldn't be allowed to vote. We wouldn't be given any control what so ever about our bodies and oh god for bid *GASP* have an opinion . Or for that matter be allowed an education no it would be you cook and clean have children all day. Basically a maid and the causal sex object. Pro-life people are 77% male and have no idea whats its actually like to have a child. So worried about the fetus you dont give a damn about what comes after. This idea that life happens when the sperm meets the egg is stupid cause last time I checked life happened about a billion or million or so years ago and will go on .


And how come when its a chicken its breakfast and with us its an abortion? Why not stop burning coal I mean all life contains carbon why are we burning so much? Not every time a man gets his rocks off deserves to be called Sally or Bob. And if a fetus is human being why when there's a miscarriage there's no funeral or when couples say we have 2 kids and one on the way why don't they say we have three kids. It makes no sense and its highly ironic that this movement the pro-life was started by a man Richard Nixon.
And even after having sex it still takes 6 or seven days for an egg to reach the uterus (sp?) and for pregnancy to begin and not every egg gets so every woman who has had more than one period should be concerned a serial killer.

I know your trying not impose anything on me and by they way the only reason we are even allowed to speak freely on the matter is because of those women. The reason I say this things because I speak for women who can't speak for themsevles. For women who have no other choice. And who cry because they don't know whatelse to do.

SAVE ROE!!!

[writergirl]

misskelli said:

First of all we do not like to hear ourselves talk if it wasn't for those women you and I wouldn't be allowed to vote. We wouldn't be given any control what so ever about our bodies and oh god for bid *GASP* have an opinion . Or for that matter be allowed an education no it would be you cook and clean have children all day. Basically a maid and the causal sex object. Pro-life people are 77% male and have no idea whats its actually like to have a child. So worried about the fetus you dont give a damn about what comes after. This idea that life happens when the sperm meets the egg is stupid cause last time I checked life happened about a billion or million or so years ago and will go on .


And how come when its a chicken its breakfast and with us its an abortion? Why not stop burning coal I mean all life contains carbon why are we burning so much? Not every time a man gets his rocks off deserves to be called Sally or Bob. And if a fetus is human being why when there's a miscarriage there's no funeral or when couples say we have 2 kids and one on the way why don't they say we have three kids. It makes no sense and its highly ironic that this movement the pro-life was started by a man Richard Nixon.
And even after having sex it still takes 6 or seven days for an egg to reach the uterus (sp?) and for pregnancy to begin and not every egg gets so every woman who has had more than one period should be concerned a serial killer.

I know your trying not impose anything on me and by they way the only reason we are even allowed to speak freely on the matter is because of those women. The reason I say this things because I speak for women who can't speak for themsevles. For women who have no other choice. And who cry because they don't know whatelse to do.

SAVE ROE!!!

For the 4th time I think, no one is saying that women liberation is bad. Hello, that would be like me saying i dont' want any freedoms. But granting someone freedom to kill is wrong!

As for miscarriages most of the time funerals are too hard for the parents. And actually alot of people do have funerals.

As for conception, it actually occurs hours after the sperm and egg cell meet.

And you are not killing an fertilized egg when you have your period. It's just an egg. Once it unites with sperm it becomes a human.

That's just it though hun, they can speak! They can decide, they have the choice. That child does not! They can't say stop! They can't say find another way!

But you never answered my question, what makes your life more valuable than that childs? Why shoudl you live and that child die? I mean you have inevitably done more wrong than that child.

[writergirl]

"Pro-life people are 77% male and have no idea whats its actually like to have a child."

I forgot this part.

Being a man has nothing to do with it. It's values that people of older generations are still holding onto. The hope that our society will stop falling into a pit it will never get out of. I mean we already allow people to kill children what next??

[misskelli]

writergirl said:

"Pro-life people are 77% male and have no idea whats its actually like to have a child."

I forgot this part.

Being a man has nothing to do with it. It's values that people of older generations are still holding onto. The hope that our society will stop falling into a pit it will never get out of. I mean we already allow people to kill children what next??

That's just its an older generations belief. What worked for them isn't gonna work for us. And it is saying women's liberation is wrong, its taking away the right to make our own decisions. My life is not more important than yours or anyone elses but I'm not giving up my right to make a choice about my body and my life. Why is it so hard for people who are pro-life to understand that all we want is the right to make our own decisions and the right to have control of our bodies. Its not fair that the world seems to forget about the mother what about the mother the one who has to take care of that child. Once again its all about the unborn but once your born you couldn't give a *BANNED WORD*. You don't wanna know about the after.


You act like the child once the sperm meets the egg its a child. No it takes time and nobody actually knows when it becomes a child all it is a mass of cells. Being pro-choice means I support access to condoms and birth control its also means I support adoption. It also means I support the choices a woman makes in her sex life. Its all about choices its all about giving the rights to those who need it. You and I can argue until we are blue in the face its not gonna change that for 33 yrs women have been legally getting abortions. And alot of times its for health reasons like the have cancer or they have to chose between their own life and a child's.

If I had to make the decision between my life and a child I would do whatever I could to see if I could save both our lives but I will not give up the right to have an abortion if I have to. Pro-choice is about giving the women the right to make a decision that ONLY SHE CAN MAKE NOT YOU OR I. And an abortion should be used as a last resort only when no other way possible. Its unfair to make a someone who is not ready to make a child just have one and only one way out to be someone's mother. No matter what I'm pro-choice and I always will be because someone has to be the voice of those who sick of fighting over its my body than why can't I control what happens or does not happen.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWeXOjsv58c

33 Yrs And Counting KEEP ABORTION SAFE AND LEGAL


And no my feminism beliefs have only part of what I feel about. Someone has to start caring about the mothers and stop focusing only on the unborn its not fair. The mother has just as much right to life as a 2 yr old and what you keep bring up is months I'm taking about days you don't honestly believe its a baby when the cells are dividing.

[The Big PINK One♥]

you mean "PRO"- choice... right?