abortions now banned

[The Big PINK One♥]

babiij said:

I am in total agreement with Justic Ruth Bader GinsBurg.
I believe that an abortion is a woman's choice, their own personal choice. I don't believe it's in anyone's place to say what a woman can and cannot do with her body. It's her body and if she chooses to have an abortion, that is her choice, her personal matter. I don't think it's anyone's place to judge a woman who is or has had an abortion.
I don't agree with you saying is a woman can open up her legs and have sex she can open up a push a child out. Yes woman are capable of doing it, but it is their choice, not anyone else. I'm sorry but it sounded completely harsh and negative to me.
I think having an abortion is better than having a baby and putting it in the trash can, or killing it, or abusing it, doing anything to harm it and intentionally killing it. When you think of it that way, an abortion is the first most logical thing that comes to mind in my opinion. Yes this is my opinion. I am not stating a fact. Woman have different reasons for why they choose to abort, but that's their business, their choice, and they should not be judged based on a choice they choose to make.

Exactly. So many people feel that if you are getting an abortion its 1 reason and that 1 reason only: A consentual night with some random guy and WHAM! Your pregnant. Thats not the case. Yes rape is one case. Some times people get raped by their own family members... imagine having a child out of an incestuous affair? That would be so difficult. Sometimes people get abortions because, medically, they just can't carry full term and/or give birth because of their own health issues. J is right there are SO MANY reasons behind the PERSONAL choice to terminate a pregnancy other than a druken night with Mr. Random Dude #5!

Plus again I'll say since some of you are getting carried away with this discussion is that this is dealing with LATE TERM ABORTION. Late term abortion is when you terminate your pregnancy during the last trimester of your pregnancy. Meaning when you're at least 7 months pregnant all the way down until you are completely 9 months pregnant, then getting your pregnancy terminated. That should've been banned A LONG TIME AGO!!! Who would deliberately carry another person all the way up until they are born... and then TERMINATE THEM!!! Thats stupid. You carried your baby for 9 whole months, you could go into labor anyday and you TERMINATE YOUR PREGNANCY!! It defeats the purpose. Now like I stated before, if theres a medical issue that prevents you from giving birth or you have something thats worsening the longer your pregnant, then that should be MEDICALLY suggested, not something that personally you dont feel like doing anymore.

You all need to go back and re-read the OP.

[writergirl]

Okay #1 It's not her body! It's a child's body. That child has it's own blood, it's own brain, it's own fingers, and toes. She is not hurting her body, but killing a completely seperate body.

As for rape, yes it's horrible, devestating. But killing an innocent child that did nothign to deserve death is wrong! Just because somene comitted a horrible act dosent' mean that killing the product is a good solution.

Life is not easy, but everything that happens to us makes us who we are. The decisions we make follow us forever, they shape our lives, they shape our character. Just because something awful like rape happens dosen't mean that it's the end of the world. Will it be hard? Of course, but in the end you will have a beautiful baby who has every right to live. And if you can't take care of it, or can't take the baggage that it brings then millions of people would love to adopt a newborn baby. they dont' care how it got there.

So in short, it's not your body. It's a individual. Who you have no right to murder. Which is what abortion is.

Check it out: www.abort73.com

[[_Rebell_]]

I think that it's totally rediculous to leave a womans choice, and body in the governments hands. Look at the grand mess they've gotten us into.

I don't want all of the men in the government having control of what I do with my body, be it abortion, gay sex, regular sex, peircings, tattoo's whatever. It's my body, my morals, MY CHILD, my choice.

How's this for a libral slogan:
Don't like abortion, don't have one.

"As for rape, yes it's horrible, devestating. But killing an innocent child that did nothign to deserve death is wrong! Just because somene comitted a horrible act dosent' mean that killing the product is a good solution"


Okay to that, it's NOT ABOUT THE ACT. It's about the fact that maybe she can't take care of the baby, maybe her womb is so badly damaged that it's DANGEROUS for her to have the child.
What choice would YOU make if it was your life, where you have the opportunity to adopt or maybe have surgery or heal so you can have children later, or having the child and risking two deaths? Honestly, I'd pick my own and maybe try later, or adopt. I don't EVER want to HAVE to make that decision, but you know we can't take the choice away from anyone. It isn't FAIR to tell every woman what they can do with their body, with their child.

and tell me, at three months can the child live ON IT'S OWN, or does it need the womans body? it's illegal after 3 months, and you know what, show me a fetus that can survive on it's own after only being in existance for 3 months and maybe I'll chance my mind, until the point that it can live outside of the body, it is apart of the mothers body because just like organs, and other parts of the body it lives off of the mothers blood, food, and life force.

AND NO ONE HAS ANY RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO WITH MY BODY, I don't care who you are or what you're telling me to do,
It scares me how willing all of these girls are willing to give up their rights to the government after women fought for hundreds of years to win them for us.

ugh.

[The Big PINK One♥]

Feb 15, 2008 18:49:40 GMT -5 [_Rebell_] said:

I think that it's totally rediculous to leave a womans choice, and body in the governments hands. Look at the grand mess they've gotten us into.

I don't want all of the men in the government having control of what I do with my body, be it abortion, gay sex, regular sex, peircings, tattoo's whatever. It's my body, my morals, MY CHILD, my choice.

How's this for a libral slogan:
Don't like abortion, don't have one.

"As for rape, yes it's horrible, devestating. But killing an innocent child that did nothign to deserve death is wrong! Just because somene comitted a horrible act dosent' mean that killing the product is a good solution"


Okay to that, it's NOT ABOUT THE ACT. It's about the fact that maybe she can't take care of the baby, maybe her womb is so badly damaged that it's DANGEROUS for her to have the child.
What choice would YOU make if it was your life, where you have the opportunity to adopt or maybe have surgery or heal so you can have children later, or having the child and risking two deaths? Honestly, I'd pick my own and maybe try later, or adopt. I don't EVER want to HAVE to make that decision, but you know we can't take the choice away from anyone. It isn't FAIR to tell every woman what they can do with their body, with their child.

and tell me, at three months can the child live ON IT'S OWN, or does it need the womans body? it's illegal after 3 months, and you know what, show me a fetus that can survive on it's own after only being in existance for 3 months and maybe I'll chance my mind, until the point that it can live outside of the body, it is apart of the mothers body because just like organs, and other parts of the body it lives off of the mothers blood, food, and life force.

AND NO ONE HAS ANY RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO WITH MY BODY, I don't care who you are or what you're telling me to do,
It scares me how willing all of these girls are willing to give up their rights to the government after women fought for hundreds of years to win them for us.

ugh.

I totally agree. Again I say that this topic has taken on a life of its own. No one has directly commented on the actual situation at hand, but you bring up some valid points.

As women, we are constantly looked at as some sort of minority & as if we're the inferior sex. Like we cannot think for ourselves. And when you give power to an outside force, the government, to make a decision for you or set new laws that do that, it makes it easier and seem ok with us that this is what's happening to us. Like we have no say (in a male dominated world) and history starts to repeat itself. We will then begin to be told what to do because we ALLOWED them (the government) to tell us what to do. Lets not make backwards strides, lets move forward. If this is upheld, it'll be easier for the government to then say "Women can't do this" & "Women can't do that", and there will be nothing WOMEN can do about it because we're too busy fighting about "whats right" to even see that the answer is right in front of you. If you do not believe in abortion... DONT GET ONE! Simple.

Another thing that I just realized is that sometimes people make decisions based off of religious reasons, which is fine, its a right that everyone is entitled to. But in my opinion, if you physically cant give birth or carry a baby and you need to abort or else risk your life, would you really choose to die and ultimately kill your "child"? Or would you just go along with the precedure and try every possible remedy to concieve and give birth again later when you know that there's no risk? My theory is no matter what you believe in... at the end of the day, your still human. But I realize also that thats why so many people fight for abortion to be abolished because of the heavy factor that religion plays in it. It's viewed as a sin.

I think that sin or not, that should be up to the discretion of the person in question, let them make that choice, not me or you or the guy down the street. Because at the end of the day, the person in question HAS TO LIVE WITH THAT CONSEQUENCE! Not me, not you & certainly not the guy down the street. I mean isn't this what life is all about MAKING CHOICES FOR YOURSELF.

[writergirl]

Feb 15, 2008 18:49:40 GMT -5 [_Rebell_] said:

I think that it's totally rediculous to leave a womans choice, and body in the governments hands. Look at the grand mess they've gotten us into.

I don't want all of the men in the government having control of what I do with my body, be it abortion, gay sex, regular sex, peircings, tattoo's whatever. It's my body, my morals, MY CHILD, my choice.

How's this for a libral slogan:
Don't like abortion, don't have one.

"As for rape, yes it's horrible, devestating. But killing an innocent child that did nothign to deserve death is wrong! Just because somene comitted a horrible act dosent' mean that killing the product is a good solution"


Okay to that, it's NOT ABOUT THE ACT. It's about the fact that maybe she can't take care of the baby, maybe her womb is so badly damaged that it's DANGEROUS for her to have the child.
What choice would YOU make if it was your life, where you have the opportunity to adopt or maybe have surgery or heal so you can have children later, or having the child and risking two deaths? Honestly, I'd pick my own and maybe try later, or adopt. I don't EVER want to HAVE to make that decision, but you know we can't take the choice away from anyone. It isn't FAIR to tell every woman what they can do with their body, with their child.

and tell me, at three months can the child live ON IT'S OWN, or does it need the womans body? it's illegal after 3 months, and you know what, show me a fetus that can survive on it's own after only being in existance for 3 months and maybe I'll chance my mind, until the point that it can live outside of the body, it is apart of the mothers body because just like organs, and other parts of the body it lives off of the mothers blood, food, and life force.

AND NO ONE HAS ANY RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO WITH MY BODY, I don't care who you are or what you're telling me to do,
It scares me how willing all of these girls are willing to give up their rights to the government after women fought for hundreds of years to win them for us.

ugh.

This isn't about anyone controlling you, this is about murder. Which is what abortion is, it's the killing of a child.

Your body is not longer just yours when you are pregnant. Killing a child because you don't want it or can't take care of it is selfish. Adoption is always the better option. As for it being dangerous to you, i don't think we are the ones who should determine who's life is more important. Ours or a childs, God has put that baby there for a reason and it's not our right to kill it.

[[_Rebell_]]

Okay, I maybe selfish but if that child cant live on it's own yet, and it's going to kill me? No, It's MY body, and it always will be MY body, that child as a body of its own that when it's born it will learn how to walk, talk, run, dance, sing, get in to trouble and think with. It will not learn how to use my body, it won't know my body inside and out. It's using my body to survive, but it is not my childs body. I know it sounds awful, but it isn't. I control my body, the child does not.

My body, does not belong to my unborn child, it belongs to me, and I will do whatever I want with it.

If everything happens for a reason, then God gives us these children, maybe he gives us some we can't take care of and we have no other choice about to make us stronger.

Remember what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and honestly it isn't fair to kill a child unborn or not, but it's not a right you can take away from people

People will do it anyway, and back ally abortions are a hell of a lot more dangerous than ones proformed in staralized doctors offices.


And by the way. Church and State are seperated for two reasons in my opinion: Abortion, and Gay Marriage (although we aren't getting very far in that catagory if you ask me).

[writergirl]

It all comes down to being selfish and putting yourself above someone else. You deem yourself more important than a child which isn't right. You are no more important than that child.

You forget your body also does not belong to you, it's a temple (or should be).

God does not give you a child for you to kill it, murder is wrong and that is in the bible my friend.

You are ignoring the fact that it's murder, all to push your "dont' tell me what to do" point. If people would use good judgement it wouldn't have to be oulawed because people would see how cruel and deeply evil it is.

If you are stupid enough to get a back ally abortion then you deserve the consequences.

Yes, church and state are seperate and this has nothing to do with the church. It has to do with legalizing murder.

[[_Rebell_]]

Yes it does have to do with church and state.

YOU'RE ARGUMENT HAS TO DO WITH GOD.

My body is not a temple, my body belongs to me, I don't care if I go to hell because I don't live the way "god" wants me too.

Sure it's murder, but hey capital punishment is legal, and it's murder too. (killing people is murder no matter if they are innocent or not)

[writergirl]

Just as long as you and everyone arguing for abortion realizes you are wanting the world to condone the killing of children. There should be no doubt in the minds of those reading arguments like these that abortion is nothing less than murder and all involved and nothing less than murderers.

[[_Rebell_]]

It still isn't about the killing of innocent children.

Go to darfur and save some kids, they've been alive, they've seen the world. They're been taking away from their familes raped (if their girls) or forced into the army to do the same thing that happened to them to others.

Instead of trying to save the unborn children in America maybe we should focus on the ones being killed in other countries. Look, America is messed up, but honestly abortion is not the biggest global problem that has to do with killing the innocent.

Murders are everywhere, you were a hinduist you would think stepping on bugs was murdering god, because god is in everything.

So...take a different perspective. I've heard the "abortion is murder" hundreds of times and it still isn't going to make me change my mind.